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InuYasha 558: Sesshomaru x Rin x Kaede

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Okay, so if you've followed the books these past 12 years, you know that the final volume came out this week, and if you know me, you know I had all ready read it less than 3 hours after it hit the newstands. If you've read it you know that everyone lived happily ever after, except as usual Sesshomaru, who for the 7th time in this series has had yet another woman he loves, taken away from from him. Sara died, Kagura died, Rin died twice and he just keeps bringing her back, you get the picture. Sesshy's life has been made complete hell in every volume, and this final volume was no exception. InuYasha married Kagome. Miroku marries Sango. Rin is taken away from Sesshomaru and sent to live with Kaede.

As the days go by and more and more people read the final chapter of InuYasha, and I go through blogs and forums reading people's responses to it (me only being interested in people's responses to the Sesshy x Rin part of course!), I am finding one thing a bit odd. Most people seem to be reading it as Sesshomaru left Rin behind, forcing her to live with Kaede.

I actually read the ending totally differently... weird... but I guess I'm weird so, yea, it figures, but anyways, the way InuYasha said that Kaede said Rin was to learn to live in a human village (note that he said, that Kaede said it, not Sesshomaru) I took that to mean that Keade took Rin away from Sesshomaru, not Sesshomaru left Rin with Keade... that is what it says after all, that "Kaede said it".... not "Sesshomaru said it".

It seems to me that if he had left her, he wouldn't be coming back with the gifts either; it's more logical that Kaede took her, thus now Sesshomaru is sticking around the village and bringing Rin gifts, biding his time, until she's old enough, to take her away from Kaede without Keade or anyone else being there to say she's too young.

Well, that's the way I saw the ending as being.

Did anyone else see it this way, or am I the only one who does not think Sesshomaru left Rin behind?

And another thing... why is this bugging me in the first place? They are fictional characters, it's not like these things really happened anyways, and yet, I'm all riled up over this! I just can't get this out of my head. Weird.

I need to examine this farther. I don't think Sesshomaru would do anything he didn't want to, it's not his nature, that's true, but than all the fuss that went into protecting Rin, over a period of what, 460 chapters?, something like that, would be pointless if he suddenly said to himself, "It's time to leave her somewhere."

It'd have been nice if Rumiko would have shown us what triggered the sudden, send Rin off bit, because it is so out of character for Sesshomaru to do that willingly. And it's out of character for him to not fit to keep Rin.

It seems easier to believe that it was Keade who took Rin away, rather than Sesshomaru who suddenly dumped Rin off on Kaede, and yet, his past actions tell us that if Keade did take Rin from him, he would have reacted but lashing her to pieces with his claws, and than walking over her bloody remains to carry Rin away from the village.

Logic tells us that if Sesshomaru suddenly decided to leave Rin with Kaede, that some event had to have happened to trigger such a dynamic change of character for him. The question is, what could have happened to cause him to do a full 360 degree turn like this?

On the other hand, we do know that Kaede has a soft spot for children, and has been seen on countless occasions to be caring for children from the village. We also know that until the death of Naraku, Kaede had no knowledge of the fact that Rin was living with Sesshomaru. Upon Naraku's death, Sesshomaru and Rin ended up in the village because Sesshomaru was chasing Naraku and Rin was following after Sesshomaru on Ah-Un.

We now that Sesshomaru hates humans, but we know also that of all humans he reviles priestesses the most, esp. Kikyo and her kin. We have heard these words come straight from his lips on more than one occasion. He refers to both Kikyo and Kaede as "that woman", with a deep tone of disgust and hatred that far outweighs the hatred in his voice when talking about half-breeds or regular humans. His hatred of human priestesses is unfathomable. And yet, not only does he leave Rin in the care of a human, but also a priestess, and to make it one step worse Kikyo's sister! We have a major mega triple whammy on our hands here, one that glares off the page at us like a hand with 20 sore thumbs on it.

If he had left Rin with anyone else, there would not be so many questions, but the fact that he left her with the human, priestess who was the sister of Kikyo, just goes against everything Rumiko has ever told us about Sesshomaru!

It is completely impossible to believe, knowing what we know about Sesshomaru, that he would ever by himself, come up with the idea of leaving Rin in the care of Kaede.


It would be so much simpler if Rumiko had just added one more page, to tell us why the decision was made to leave Rin with Kaede. I mean, we all know Sesshomaru would die to protect his beloved Rin and that Rin is more important to him than anything else in the world. Likewise we all know Rin fights like hell against the idea of either leaving Sesshomaru or worse, living with humans (her worst dreaded fear of all!)

So taking all these facts into consideration, we come to the conclusion that something must have happened in the three year period, something drastic, to change either Sesshomaru's or Rin's mind.

So whose mind was changed and why? Let's look at what we know and than draw some conclusions:

We see Rin (wearing Kagura's kimono no less!) happily helping Kaede. Giving that Rin now seems to enjoy living among humans, we can assume that she has somehow lost her fear of humans. We can also assume that she is no longer 100% dependent on Sesshomaru's protection, and no loner feels the need to run to him for help. In fact her reaction to his presence suggests a tone of indifference. She does not seem to care that he came to visit her, it seems to be just another thing that happens. She is neither pleased to see him, nor displeased. This is out of character for Rin, who normally is overflowing with bubbling joy at even the slightest glance from Sesshomaru. Rin's outlook towards Sesshomaru has changed, and rather dramatically.

And why is Rin wearing Kagura's kimono? How did she get it? If it's not Kagura's kimono, than why is she wearing a duplicate of Kagura's kimono? Kagura being the woman Sesshomaru loved and probably would have taken as his mate had she not died, we must question the change in Rin's wardrobe and the motive behind it. We know that Sesshomaru gave Rin her golden orange Noh robes, and we know that he gave you yet another kimono in 558, so we can safely assume that he also gave her this duplicate one that is like the one Kagura wore as well.

Okay, so that's Rin now, lets look at what Sesshomaru is doing now.

We know how overly-obsessed with Rin, Sesshomaru is, so to see them separated, is odd to say the least. Giving that Sesshomaru is still lurking around the village, in spite of his outspoken hatred for humans and his avoidance of setting a foot within a human village, we can assume that he not only still cares about Rin, and still desires to watch over her and protect her, in spite of the fact that she no longer lives with him, but that he is now forcing himself to put aside his hatred for humans, just to be near her. How odd and un-Youkai like of him! To make this whole series of events just a little bit weirder, we now see Sesshomaru flying in to not only visit Rin, but also to bring her gifts as well! Now that is the most, un-Sesshomaru thing to do of all!

Sesshomaru knew that Rin knew he cared for her, and while he knew this, he was not giving her gifts. It seems to indicate now, that Rin is questioning the fact that Sesshomaru cares for her, and he is now overdoing it, by bringing her gifts to prove to her that he does still care for her. If one was to look at the old Rin and Sesshomaru and compare them to the new ones, it would seem that their roles have reversed. Rin is now the cold emotionless one, no longer bringing gift after gift to her lord, while Sesshomaru is now the one bringing gifts to the girl ho no longer seems to care.

And than there are the gifts. Gifts! From Sesshomaru! Really?!? This icy, emotionless, cold hearted, cruel, blood-thirsty, murderous demon is seen flying in bearing gifts!

*THUD*

How more out of character can we get?

Why, is Sesshomaru, bringing her gifts? That part is so odd. Is he afraid that she will forget about him and brings her gifts to keep him on her mind? Is he afraid she will never return to him, and live the rest of her life with the humans, and so is bringing gifts to try to sway her to come back to him? Is she angry with him, and he brings gifts as a way to ask forgiveness? Any one of these things is out of character for Sesshomaru. He's showing emotion. It's like the episode of Star Trek, when Mr. Spock started laughing. It stunned everyone because Spock is devoid of emotion. Sesshomaru shows no emotion. Emotions are a thing humans do that make them weak and pathetic... he has said this in the past. Yet now here he is showing emotion, by giving gifts. What emotion is he showing? Love? Fear? Guilt? Does it matter? Either way it's still an emotion, something that Sesshomaru does not admit to having.

So while most fans are saying that Sesshomaru had a change of heart and left Rin, it seems to me, that the one who changed was not Sesshomaru, but Rin. It looks more like Rin left of her own accord, and while Sesshomaru did not want her to leave, he also does not want to hold her prisoner and so let her leave, but is now regretting that he did so.

Why would Rin leave him? Did Rin leave because Kaede told her to? Or did Rin leave and seek refuge with Kaede? Is it possible that Sesshomaru some how scared or hurt Rin, to the extent that she no longer felt safe in his care?

If Rin left on Kaede's say so, than what could Kaede have said that could have convinced Rin to leave Sesshomaru?

If Rin left on her own, than what could have happened to make Rin feel the desire to leave Sesshomaru? Did she leave out of fear, if so what scared her? Did she leave out of anger, if so what could they have fought about? Did she left out of "homesickness" for village life? Did she leave out of boredom? Did she leave, with the intention of going off to learn the skills of a homemaker, so that she could return to Sesshomaru years later to rule in his empire at his side as his wife? Rin planned to hold a position of some sort in Sesshomaru's empire, once Naraku had been defeated, she said so often.

If Rin left on Sesshomaru's command, than why would he have thought to send her away? Did he fear she'd be hurt if she stayed with him, because of his violet warrior's lifestyle? He couldn't have thought any demons would be a threat seeing how Naraku was the only demon to ever threaten Rin (other than his mom that is) and now Naraku was dead, so we know that isn't the reason. Was he afraid he'd hurt her himself? Did Sesshomaru's mom reappear and some how finally convince him to get rid of Rin once and for all? Did Sesshomaru suddenly realize that his mother's words were true, that he was becoming like his father, and so sent Rin away to protect his pride and honor? Does he love her and still hate the idea of demons taking human mates so sent her away?

What could have happened, I suppose would be affected by how you view their relationship: Master/servant-pet; father/daughter; or lolicon, being the three most commonly accepted theories.

The whole gift-giving thing, completely throws out the father-daughter theory, because, lets face it, how many dad's go out of their way to buy gifts for their kids for no reason at all? Fathers have a hard time remembering to buy gifts for Christmas and birthdays, and rely on the mother to buy the gifts for them... it's not logical that Sesshomaru would be buying gifts for Rin if he thought of her as his daughter, though it is logical to believe that Rin did look up to Sesshomaru as though he was a father. I think the father-daughter theory, would only hold true in Rin's mind and not Sesshomaru's.

The master-servant or master-pet theories are so similar that I'll call them one and the same. It is this theory that I personally felt held true for this couple, throughout the series. Rin clearly looked up to Sesshomaru as her master, and obied his every command without question. His fierce protection of her, is no different than the protection one gives to a beloved house-pet. He protects her, keeps her safe, kept her feed and healthy, and pretty much did nothing else. When a dog runs away or gets lost, you look for it, and when you find it you are so filled with joy that you shower it with gifts and treats. This seems to hold true for Sesshomaru's actions. He has lost his beloved pet to a new owner and is trying to convince her to return to him, through the bearing of gifts.

Than there is the lolicon relationship, which I have already read posts from fans who are pointing the dreaded lolicon finger at Sesshomaru. Actually, as much as I hate to admit it, this does seem to be the most logical and highly likely reason for this unexpected turn of events. Weird, I find myself agree on this point, because until now, I had never actually believed that the lolicon theory was even possible. It just seemed to unlikely and out of character for Sesshomaru. The Sesshomaru gone lolicon was a theory that I pointed at and laughed. However, after reading 558, I can see this being a distinctive possibility, and one that could have gone one of three ways:

    One, Sesshomaru, did as most fans suggest, and sent Rin away against her will to live with Kaede. For this to be true in the lolicon theory, we would have to assume that Sesshomaru no longer trusted himself and sent Rin away to protect her from himself.

    Second would be that, Rin left of her own accord after a lolicon confrontation between herself and Sesshomasru left her scared to live with him anymore.

    Third would be that Kaede, accused Sesshomaru of being a lolicon and took Rin away from him. This one could go one of two ways:

      One Sesshomaru is in fact lolicon and Kaede somehow found out and took Rin away.

      Two, Sesshomaru is not lolicon, but Kaede just assumed that he was, and took Rin away.


Reading 558, I actually got the impression that the later was true. Kaede, saw Rin and Sesshomaru together for the first time, after Naraku's death, and was not aware Rin lived with Sesshomaru, before that point (chapter 552). InuYasha said that it was Kaede who said Rin should prepare to return to a human village. (558). So we know that Shortly after Kaede discovered that 7 year old Rin was living with 700+ year old Sesshomaru, she told them that Rin should live in a human village. The question is, how did Kaede convince Rin to come with her, and why did Sesshomaru let Rin go?

We do know that more than once Sesshomaru has told Rin, she could leave if she so desired, so we can assume that it was Rin who decided to leave Sesshomaru, otherwise, I can see no way he would have let her go. He would not have sent her away. He would not have allowed anyone to take her away. The only way he would let Rin go, is if, Rin, left of her own accord. But why would Rin leave?

Have I gotten anywhere with all of this? No. But at least I got it off my chest and now I'll let someone else unravel this mess and figure it out. I'd love to hear how other fans are taking this. Me? It's safe to say that I am very upset over this and not taking it very well at all, otherwise I would not have spent the last 3 and 1/2 hours sitting here typing up this rant about it.


Now I've come to the conclusion that Rin left of her own accord, because it seems more logical than any other option, though I have yet to come up with a satisfying answer as to why she would leave. I can't see Sesshomaru leaving her, and I can't see him letting anyone take her, but I can see him saying she could leave if it was her wish, thinking she would not go, but than she did go and now he regrets it so is bringing her gifts. I'll stick with that theory for now, cause it sounds best to me. :)

How did I become so obsessed over a comic book character? This post screams of uber geekyness. :D


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Originally posted on the 21st, as a one paragraph question, this post was rewritten on the 23rd.


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[info]salomesensei wrote:
Jun. 21st, 2008 05:02 pm (UTC)
I've only read excerpts, but from the images and words I've seen (in translation cuz I don't read/speak Japanese), I got that he left her willingly. In part, I get this because I don't believe anyone could convince Sesshoumaru to do anything he didn't want to. Now maybe Kaede guilted him into it and he realized what a selfish beastie he is. But heck yes, still leaving gifts means this is not abandonment. The rest of what I see? Well, you read that over at mf_sanctuary!
[info]eelkat wrote:
Jun. 21st, 2008 06:11 pm (UTC)
yea... I don't think he'd do anything he didn't want to either, that's true, but than all the fuss that went into protecting Rin, over a period of what, 460 chapters?, something like that, would be pointless if he suddenly said to himself, "It's time to leave her somewhere."

It'd have been nice if Rumiko would have shown us what triggered the sudden, send Rin off bit, because it is so out of character for Sesshomaru to do that.
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[info]anim3_lov3r wrote:
Jun. 29th, 2008 07:16 pm (UTC)
InuYasha 558: Sesshomaru x Rin x Kaede
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Well hmm that was a lot to think about and so here are my rambling normal feelings on the subject. Now fair warning it will be sort of jumpy so please just bare with me. I'm sure after a while you'll get what I'm trying to say.

I sort of had the same understanding as you while reading the last {(tears)}Inuyasha chapter. But I guess it's to say I had a different conclusion especially after reading your thoughts. I feel that Sesshomaru saw Rin growing up and that maybe he had thoughts of wooing her, after Naraku's death.

Could I say he started to see how she acted around him in a different way since his feelings for her have changed? Maybe it was not her actions that have changed but the way he happened to see them. Since he had finally admitted his love for her to himself.

Question is: Did he like the feeling?
Maybe in a way he did and then in another, he saw himself constantly changing into his father. Which might I add he promised himself he would never become like!!!

Well, wow sorry bucko to say but the apple never falls far from the tre-e..LMAO!!

Umm so yes, like you said Kaede had probably just found out about Rin being with Sesshomaru in the last couple of chapters and started to wonder why the heck Rin was so attached to Sesshomaru. Oh and yess since Rin was constantly in danger, dying, being possessed, oh and yes abducted (constantly these things happened).

Ya know maybe Kaede thought it wasn't the best to be with Sesshomaru as much, and suggested the idea of Rin coming with her. But who's to say that maybe Rin didn't agree to it and Sesshomaru did.

Rin would have never left Sesshomaru for as much love she had for him. At least she would have never left him willing, on her own decision.

Maybe as it was a painful decision for Sesshomaru to make he chose for her to leave with Kaede but left Rin with promises of constant visiting, so that she would never feel left behind...

Basically Rin had no choice in the matter of the decision, Kaede had awesome reasoning, and Sesshomaru was caught up in his thought and feelings for Rin... Oh and yes Jaken.. Jaken teach Rin how to be lady like?? umm wow, NO!!!

So yea it was like a package deal.. Rin out of any further harms way, Rin learning a lady's way, Rin learning how to live in a human village if ever having to live in one (if by choice of course she choses to leave Sesshomaru, yes believe Sesshomaru will give her the hardships of choosing) Sesshomaru having time to plan things out, Sesshomaru not having to give Rin any talks on mating, her growing process of smashing into puberty, Sesshomaru not having to teach her as many things that instead living in a village or a human women could teach.

Now I know that some have really considered Sesshomaru could have left her with his mother if he was wooing her in the near future. But nawww I don't think he would set Rin up with his mother. After all she does not seem so motherly in the first place. And who can say that she knows how to raise a human female in the first place. SO please people just leave that idea alone!!

Wow, not even I noticed Rin wearing a duplicate of Kagura's kimono.(GOOD EYE, GOOD EYE!!) Yea not much to say but that's kind of..creepy. But maybe it's a sign of some sort, seeing on how Rin.. I mean Kagura (see already slipping up)has always loved Sesshomaru even til the day she died. In which Sesshomaru promised to revenge. (Say that wasn't just a bit of affection he had shown to someone else besides Rin. But yup still didn't like it either way. Fudge Kagura. LMAO)

I'm not finish, next comment post coming right up!
[info]eelkat wrote:
Jul. 20th, 2008 06:07 am (UTC)
Re: InuYasha 558: Sesshomaru x Rin x Kaede



maybe Rin knew that Sesshy loved Kogura but wouldn't admit it, so now Rin is trying to look like her to get Sesshy's attention? O.0

Or maybe Sesshy has figured out he can't have Kogura so he's trying to turn Rin into her.... even more O.0oooo
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[info]anim3_lov3r wrote:
Jun. 29th, 2008 07:18 pm (UTC)
InuYasha 558: Sesshomaru x Rin x Kaede
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bold Restatement: We can also assume that she is no longer 100% dependent on Sesshomaru's protection, and no loner feels the need to run to him for help. In fact her reaction to his presence suggests a tone of indifference. She does not seem to care that he came to visit her, it seems to be just another thing that happens. She is neither pleased to see him, nor displeased. This is out of character for Rin, who normally is overflowing with bubbling joy at even the slightest glance from Sesshomaru. Rin's outlook towards Sesshomaru has changed, and rather dramatically.
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Well Rin has no longer been in so much trouble as she had been when she was with Sesshomaru, she has learned how to do task by herself, and other such things that I can not name. So why should she still be 100% dependent on Sesshomaru? Or feel the need to run to him for help? I mean he keeps the danger away from the village so there is no need to..run to him for help.. Not when he already does so without her asking. Well it sort of is another things that happens, think of it like this Rin is growing, she's more independent, she takes care of chores. She's just more responsible and even though she may be beaming and screaming on the inside. She has probably learned after a while the routine of his visits and no longer possesses such a feeling.

Or it could be that she has just been waiting for him to take her away with him but he doesn't seem to have caught on to what she wants. And maybe that is why she's not so enthusiastic and her spirit seems to be dying. He's not with her and he only comes by once in a while to visit when all she wants s to be with him again. But she will not question him on his decision of never bringing her with him.

Maybe he can feel her sadness every time he comes and then eventually leaves and that is why he bares her with gifts. To make it up for her, like a father that is never around for his only daughter, and so he spoils her.(Even though they are most definitely not a father and daughter relationship base... It's just soo much more going on between them. Something unspoken and unseen by eyes.) Rin knows he will not stay but so long with her and that IS a sad fact for her to face. She probably feels a little unwanted. He doesn't know why she feels the way she does, or maybe he has a miniature clue and just doesn't want to face the issue. Since he has so many of his own and facing Rin would cause nothing but more.
[info]eelkat wrote:
Jul. 20th, 2008 06:12 am (UTC)
Re: InuYasha 558: Sesshomaru x Rin x Kaede


I'm thinking your right about her being sad and Sesshy does seem the type to avoid the issue and look the other way instead of facing it.

I can see Rin pining away and dying of a broken heart before she reaches 20, and Sesshy not doing a thing about it until it's too late and she's gone... he seems to have a habit of ignoring what's going on until someone is dead.... Sara, Kogura, Rin more than once...

Why does Sesshy always wait until someone dies before he faces the problem?
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[info]anim3_lov3r wrote:
Jun. 29th, 2008 07:20 pm (UTC)
InuYasha 558: Sesshomaru x Rin x Kaede
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bold Restatement: Why, is Sesshomaru, bringing her gifts? That part is so odd. Is he afraid that she will forget about him and brings her gifts to keep him on her mind? Is he afraid she will never return to him, and live the rest of her life with the humans, and so is bringing gifts to try to sway her to come back to him? Is she angry with him, and he brings gifts as a way to ask forgiveness? Any one of these things is out of character for Sesshomaru. He's showing emotion. It's like the episode of Star Trek, when Mr. Spock started laughing. It stunned everyone because Spock is devoid of emotion. Sesshomaru shows no emotion. Emotions are a thing humans do that make them weak and pathetic... he has said this in the past. Yet now here he is showing emotion, by giving gifts. What emotion is he showing? Love? Fear? Guilt? Does it matter? Either way it's still an emotion, something that Sesshomaru does not admit to having
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So true, maybe it is that the great Sesshomaru finally has something to fear. And it is of his beloved Rin. Maybe she does not understand why she has been reduced to living in a human village than by the side of her Lord(or past lord who knows what she thinks now. The feel of being guilty is just another sign of being afraid.

He is afraid, as scared as a cat being thrown into water. And it's an odd feeling for him to have no less as it is okay for him to be afraid.

Afraid that Rin may just move on and up without him, afraid Rin may forget him if anything was to ever happen, afraid Rin may just get up and leave him one day (like a husband who has a bitch for a wife but would never want to let goo of her, even if ending her life keeps her from leaving. Hmm isn't that how one of my stories is going to end..oops well I guess you all wouldn't know which story anyway..so HA!), afraid she is angry for him dumping her at some human village is the way she feels, afraid that maybe she doesn't love him anymore and she never will again, that he doesn't know exactly how she's feeling.

Maybe what scares him the most is that Rin is growing up without him and she seems to be more independent, so he thinks she feels that there is no need to care for or even consider loving what she does not need or rather has the need to not want(that was twisty hope you get me).

He may not admit the emotion but does one afraid ever just come out and admit a murder they had committed and will be spending prison in life for? I hope not, cause if they do then they are just too honest and not human. Which to me makes them a dummy but then that's just honesty. No one is never but so honest of their lies and conscience.
[info]eelkat wrote:
Jul. 20th, 2008 06:19 am (UTC)
Re: InuYasha 558: Sesshomaru x Rin x Kaede



I think Sess is terrified and refusing to admit it even to himself. He sees Rin no longer running to great him, her attitude is like "yaeh, Sesshomaru was here today, so what"; I think he sees that and it scares him, because he knows deep down that Rin is the only person who has ever cared about him, and he's not likely to ever find another person (human or demon) who is going to love him as much as Rin did. I don't think he can bear to face that, and so he's bringing gifts to keep from losing Rin's caring about him, but it seems to already be too late for that, because the bond is already broken. I think it's tearing him up inside because he doesn't know how to deal with it.
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[info]anim3_lov3r wrote:
Jun. 29th, 2008 07:21 pm (UTC)
InuYasha 558: Sesshomaru x Rin x Kaede
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bold Restatement: So while most fans are saying that Sesshomaru had a change of heart and left Rin, it seems to me, that the one who changed was not Sesshomaru, but Rin. It looks more like Rin left of her own accord, and while Sesshomaru did not want her to leave, he also does not want to hold her prisoner and so let her leave, but is now regretting that he did so.

Why would Rin leave him? Did Rin leave because Kaede told her to? Or did Rin leave and seek refuge with Kaede? Is it possible that Sesshomaru some how scared or hurt Rin, to the extent that she no longer felt safe in his care?

If Rin left on Kaede's say so, than what could Kaede have said that could have convinced Rin to leave Sesshomaru?

If Rin left on her own, than what could have happened to make Rin feel the desire to leave Sesshomaru? Did she leave out of fear, if so what scared her? Did she leave out of anger, if so what could they have fought about? Did she left out of "homesickness" for village life? Did she leave out of boredom? Did she leave, with the intention of going off to learn the skills of a homemaker, so that she could return to Sesshomaru years later to rule in his empire at his side as his wife? Rin planned to hold a position of some sort in Sesshomaru's empire, once Naraku had been defeated, she said so often.

If Rin left on Sesshomaru's command, than why would he have thought to send her away? Did he fear she'd be hurt if she stayed with him, because of his violet warrior's lifestyle? He couldn't have thought any demons would be a threat seeing how Naraku was the only demon to ever threaten Rin (other than his mom that is) and now Naraku was dead, so we know that isn't the reason. Was he afraid he'd hurt her himself? Did Sesshomaru's mom reappear and some how finally convince him to get rid of Rin once and for all? Did Sesshomaru suddenly realize that his mother's words were true, that he was becoming like his father, and so sent Rin away to protect his pride and honor? Does he love her and still hate the idea of demons taking human mates so sent her away?
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Straight to the point.. Rin would have never left Sesshomaru, she was too dependent of him and never thought of anyone but him. So I disagree it was Rin's decision especially from what I had said earlier on. She wouldn't run away to some human village anyway. And I doubt out of respect for her lord that she would argue or talk back to him. Why would she be afraid of her lord? Someone she depends on and loves dearly? And why would he harm her anyway? What could Rin have had done for him to do so, especially seeing on how he lets her get away with just about anything. She'd have no valid reason to leave Sesshomaru and run to a human village no less. She'd probably run far into the forest or whatever, but everyone knows Seshomaru will be close behind just in case.

Sesshomaru has many thought and some of what you said can be agreeable so I have not much to say but basically his feelings and thought and everything just went out of whack. So with Kaede having good reasoning he made the decision to let Rin stay with Kaede. I mean giving Rin away would not be HIS first choice after all. Probably taking a field trip alone with Rin in the protection of Jaken and Ah-Un but not giving her away to some human village unless greatly persuaded. In which that's where Kaede came in and suggested the idea. It would give him some time to think and figure where Rin stands with him in the future and presently after all.
[info]eelkat wrote:
Jul. 20th, 2008 06:30 am (UTC)
Re: InuYasha 558: Sesshomaru x Rin x Kaede


I am currently writing a fanfic about what happened to Rin and Sess in the 3 years between 557 and 558... surprisingly what I ended up writing was exactly this: Rin did run away from him, because he terrified the hell out of her, without even realizing he'd scared her. WOW! I totally did not expect to write that, it's just the way the story went as I got to writing. weird.
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[info]anim3_lov3r wrote:
Jun. 29th, 2008 07:22 pm (UTC)
InuYasha 558: Sesshomaru x Rin x Kaede
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bold Restatement: What could have happened, I suppose would be affected by how you view their relationship: Master/servant-pet; father/daughter; or lolicon, being the three most commonly accepted theories.

The whole gift-giving thing, completely throws out the father-daughter theory, because, lets face it, how many dad's go out of their way to buy gifts for their kids for no reason at all? Fathers have a hard time remembering to buy gifts for Christmas and birthdays, and rely on the mother to buy the gifts for them... it's not logical that Sesshomaru would be buying gifts for Rin if he thought of her as his daughter, though it is logical to believe that Rin did look up to Sesshomaru as though he was a father. I think the father-daughter theory, would only hold true in Rin's mind and not Sesshomaru's.

The master-servant or master-pet theories are so similar that I'll call them one and the same. It is this theory that I personally felt held true for this couple, throughout the series. Rin clearly looked up to Sesshomaru as her master, and obied his every command without question. His fierce protection of her, is no different than the protection one gives to a beloved house-pet. He protects her, keeps her safe, kept her feed and healthy, and pretty much did nothing else. When a dog runs away or gets lost, you look for it, and when you find it you are so filled with joy that you shower it with gifts and treats. This seems to hold true for Sesshomaru's actions. He has lost his beloved pet to a new owner and is trying to convince her to return to him, through the bearing of gifts.

Than there is the lolicon relationship, which I have already read posts from fans who are pointing the dreaded lolicon finger at Sesshomaru. Actually, as much as I hate to admit it, this does seem to be the most logical and highly likely reason for this unexpected turn of events. Weird, I find myself agree on this point, because until now, I had never actually believed that the lolicon theory was even possible. It just seemed to unlikely and out of character for Sesshomaru. The Sesshomaru gone lolicon was a theory that I pointed at and laughed. However, after reading 558, I can see this being a distinctive possibility, and one that could have gone one of three ways:


One, Sesshomaru, did as most fans suggest, and sent Rin away against her will to live with Kaede. For this to be true in the lolicon theory, we would have to assume that Sesshomaru no longer trusted himself and sent Rin away to protect her from himself.

Second would be that, Rin left of her own accord after a lolicon confrontation between herself and Sesshomasru left her scared to live with him anymore.

Third would be that Kaede, accused Sesshomaru of being a lolicon and took Rin away from him. This one could go one of two ways:
One Sesshomaru is in fact lolicon and Kaede somehow found out and took Rin away.

Two, Sesshomaru is not lolicon, but Kaede just assumed that he was, and took Rin away.
[info]anim3_lov3r wrote:
Jun. 29th, 2008 07:22 pm (UTC)
InuYasha 558: Sesshomaru x Rin x Kaede
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Father/daughter relationship. No not really as you have stated Rin expects a place in Sesshomaru's empire. Why would she be his daughter as princess if she wishes to help and be just a little something more than just another nuisance. Now come on children are nuisances, so why in her eyes would she consider herself his own. She has never ever not in one chapter or page or show ever slipped up and called him "Father" or "Daddy". So she may look up to him but not as a father.(It could just be height wise hat she looks up to him..LMAO) No but not really a father and daughter relationship. I just don't understand how people can see them as so when their is absolutely no way, not even when they were in hell that they could be that kind of relationship.

Master and pet?? Hmm ummm no. Sesshomaru's the dog. Sure she may obey him and stuff but in the old days isn't that how wives were to their husbands? Exactly my point. So you can't say she is a pet, pets are and can be replaceable. Not true love or someone you believe you love and hold dear. Kagome has a pet, the cat. Now come on do you see Sesshomaru and Rin being the same as them. So please just shut it. Rin feeds herself, Rin washes when she stinks. He doesn't provide her with food or wash her himself. He may comb her hair but that's about it but that's like vice versa they comb each other's hair..

Lolicon relationship? Please let's not call Sesshomaru a lolita. I don't see that as if he would take action at Rin's age in raping or touching her sexually. That is so out of character for Sesshomaru(don't compare him to Miroku). Yes he probably is attracted to her but not her body. She has nothing. Maybe her personality and spirit and that smile she constantly smiles for him. Yes that's what he loves. And he wouldn't spoil that just for his own so called dirty thoughts, it would leave Rin scarred for life with a frown. So yes let's not call it lolicon relationship. Let us just say he has future plans for the both of them since he bold LOVES her so much and would never bold HURT her in such a way he has been accused of. Saying that he holds romantic future dreams of them both together does not mean he attends to making them happen while she is at young age or even considers it at the time. Maybe his thoughts and feeling have made him act different to Rin, possibly colder to her and so she became out of character a bit. Less smiles and such. Which we all know Sesshomaru loves the most. So as if not to hurt her and stop the feeling of pain in his heart her had took Kaede up on her offer she had made.


[info]anim3_lov3r wrote:
Jun. 29th, 2008 07:23 pm (UTC)
InuYasha 558: Sesshomaru x Rin x Kaede
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bold Restatement: We do know that more than once Sesshomaru has told Rin, she could leave if she so desired, so we can assume that it was Rin who decided to leave Sesshomaru, otherwise, I can see no way he would have let her go. He would not have sent her away. He would not have allowed anyone to take her away. The only way he would let Rin go, is if, Rin, left of her own accord. But why would Rin leave?

Have I gotten anywhere with all of this? No. But at least I got it off my chest and now I'll let someone else unravel this mess and figure it out. I'd love to hear how other fans are taking this. Me? It's safe to say that I am very upset over this and not taking it very well at all, otherwise I would not have spent the last 3 and 1/2 hours sitting here typing up this rant about it.


Now I've come to the conclusion that Rin left of her own accord, because it seems more logical than any other option, though I have yet to come up with a satisfying answer as to why she would leave. I can't see Sesshomaru leaving her, and I can't see him letting anyone take her, but I can see him saying she could leave if it was her wish, thinking she would not go, but than she did go and now he regrets it so is bringing her gifts. I'll stick with that theory for now, cause it sounds best to me. :)
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Sesshomaru may have always given her choice. But maybe this time he didn't and he just had to find some way to give him some space from her. Even if it would hurt them both he thought of it for the best and Kaede's offer seemed sweet. Then once everything was final and Rin had been let known, she probably broke down and cried and maybe didn't question her lord in which just obeying him. Which made her hold a grudge. Maybe she did question him, and he didn't answer or maybe he couldn't, he probably didn't have the will or a straight answer to give her either way. Which in return made her hold a grudge. Either way there is a grudge she would hold against him. And maybe that's why her attitude in that last chapter was the way it was. Maybe that' why he bares her with gifts for being guilty and the the fear of never being forgiven or have the feel of being loved by her again. He didn't let Rin be taken away, he in away let her go, but not entirely since he still visits and is there for her.

Why would she leave him? Why would he even bring it up? What I have concluded is that Sesshomaru needed some type of space, and let her go to Kaede because she had good reasoning when she had offered her home for Rin. But that took place before he had figured out his feelings for Rin. Ahhh it's just too much to explain, you'll have to just get me to get me.

And I'm finish..anyone like to discuss this email me at

"Krazi3_303@yahoo.com"
[info]eelkat wrote:
Jul. 20th, 2008 05:55 am (UTC)
Re: InuYasha 558: Sesshomaru x Rin x Kaede
LOL! WOW, you leave comments the same way I do! {{{{huggles}}}}

I still have not come to any real conclusions about how or why Rin came to leave Sesshy. When I wrote this rant, I was just "shoot from the hip" and writing the first thing that popped into my head, and each thing I wrote lead to me thinking of a different angle, and I ended up with the post here.


I agree that the loicon thing is "out of bounds". Boy, that's what everyone else seems to be thinking though, I've seen so many fanfics that are suggesting as much. YIKES! How are people coming up with the theory that he's loicon? OMG! He is so not like that... for one thing the wears the symbol that says he took the vow of chastity anyways... that blue moon on his forehead... so we know from that this guy is a virgin who never plans to have sex with anyone.

I've always thought of Sesshy and Rin as best friends in kind of a brother sister sort of way, actually. I mean he's supposed to be the equivalent of a 19 year old human, and she's what 7 or 8? Not a big jump in age really.

I'm currently working out my own personal theory on what happened and why, and once I've figured it out and written it up, I'll be posting it on fanfiction.net. I'll post here once I got it up.
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(Anonymous) wrote:
Aug. 3rd, 2008 08:58 am (UTC)
As much as I want to post my thoughts, opinions and feelings about this, it would be very hard for me to do so considering, I forgot some of the basics of the the show InuYasha, except for some of the things I touch up upon from time to time (like this for instance).

the things I want to say agrees with you as well a heavily disagrees with some parts, but right now, it's hard for me to find a starting point to it, so may I ask a something that may seem a little random?

1) How long is this thread/topic thing will last?

If it won't last too long, I would like to discuss and share my thoughts with you through emails if that's ok.

I've only watched the dub version of Inuyasha, and I only read a couple parts of the manga which were when Kagura died, the last chapter, and when Rin died in the dog hell thing ( I think that was the first time we were introduced to Sesshomaru's mother)

So it would be hard for me to back my opinion up on why I disagree with some of the things you said.

So if it's ok, can I get your email, and you can have mine, but i won't tell you yet, until I have your answer.

You can post your answer here of course, since this is the only way to contact each other as a astarter.
(Anonymous) wrote:
Aug. 6th, 2008 03:31 pm (UTC)
blah
who are you? who's email do you want?

Krazi3_AnimeLover
(Anonymous) wrote:
Aug. 19th, 2008 09:23 pm (UTC)
i didnt know there where books!!!!!
omg im soooooooooooo stupid i love inu and am a freaka about it but idk about the books

(Anonymous) wrote:
Oct. 10th, 2008 12:19 pm (UTC)
ad
Hey did you guys here about the new episodes that are suppose to be coming out in December?

-animelover
[info]charity322 wrote:
Oct. 24th, 2008 11:07 am (UTC)
Rin getting left with Kaede was the one thing I really hated about the ending of the manga. :( Especially with no explanation as to why except for Inuyasha's cryptic comment. Not that I didn't spend ages trying to dissect that comment lol. I can't imagine Rin leaving him willingly, so he must have told her to stay but why ...? Over the manga Rin has been steadfastly the only thing to get under his skin and make him show emotion.

I kind of agree with the master/pet relationship early on in their association. Rin fascinated him by being unafraid of him in the woods and something about her made him bring her back from the dead and let her follow him. It almost seemed like indulging his curiousity about her and why she differed from other humans. Over time, however, she started melting the ice around his heart without him even realising it. LOL, the number of times I wanted to smack him when he went into denial about why he rescued her.

When she got sucked into Hell by the Hellhound and died, I think he was forced to realise just how much she had come to mean to him and that he really did love this little human. I don't mean in a lolicon way, or a fatherly way for that matter, I think their relationship defied classification and all you can be sure of is that they loved each other. I am a supporter of a romantic relationship between them when she's older, but I always thought she would have ten years or so to grow up and continue teaching Sess about compassion and acceptance of people. But, now she's been taken away. :( I feel it's Kaede's fault somehow. *mutters* Although I'm hoping it's something as simple as Rin getting her period and Sess freaking out and not knowing what to do and Kaede agreeing to teach her what she needed to know. Damn I just wish we'd been given more to go on!

I know he's still visiting her, and he's obviously overcome his pride enough to visit a human village to bring a little girl gifts, but ... sigh I guess I always thought that they would stay together. I have to pin my hopes on him giving her a choice when she's older to stay or return to him. I really can't imagine Rin choosing to live in a human village over being with her Sesshoumaru-sama. He needs her, damn it. Noone else can unfreeze his heart and love him the way she does.

I'll quit rambling on hehe, but the ending made me sad and I will rant about it when I'm given the chance. :P
(Anonymous) wrote:
Feb. 4th, 2010 01:33 am (UTC)
princess slifer
love you brother please leave inuyasha a lone puty please big brother
(Anonymous) wrote:
Mar. 16th, 2010 11:38 am (UTC)
ITS SIMPLE PEOPLE
It's easy to understand y they r not together. It doesn't matter who came up with the idea, even though like u said i would like to have an explanation about y they separated, but it's been forshadowed. From the beginning Sesshomaru couldn't have tetsaiga cause of his attitude about power and humans. Only as he gained more compasion for humans and helped people, mainly Inuasha and his group, did more things happen for him all the way from the powers of tensaiga to him gettin his own weopon. Also several episodes have brought attention to the fact that Rin lives with demons and distrusts humans, so u know it was goin to be addressed sooner or later. I figured she would've stayed with Sesshomaru, but it doesn't surprise me that she ended up with kaede. You do raise some very good questions though and I wish he would've gave us a little more to help understand. One more thing, Inuyasha is with a human, and their dad was with one, so y is it so surprising that Sesshomaru softened up with humans a little, after all he never really killed any humans for no reason anyway, he just see's them as weak . If u ask me he's still the toughest demon out there, he just has a little compasion now. Remember in that movie him and his dad talked and u got the picture of what his dad wanted out of him. U know something else , i wouldn't be surprised if another few chapters came out or even if Sesshomaru got his own show. I would watch both, much like i wish Naruto and Kakashi had their own show.
(Anonymous) wrote:
Mar. 16th, 2010 11:40 am (UTC)
ITS SIMPLE PEOPLE
It's easy to understand y they r not together. It doesn't matter who came up with the idea, even though like u said i would like to have an explanation about y they separated, but it's been forshadowed. From the beginning Sesshomaru couldn't have tetsaiga cause of his attitude about power and humans. Only as he gained more compasion for humans and helped people, mainly Inuasha and his group, did more things happen for him all the way from the powers of tensaiga to him gettin his own weopon. Also several episodes have brought attention to the fact that Rin lives with demons and distrusts humans, so u know it was goin to be addressed sooner or later. I figured she would've stayed with Sesshomaru, but it doesn't surprise me that she ended up with kaede. You do raise some very good questions though and I wish he would've gave us a little more to help understand. One more thing, Inuyasha is with a human, and their dad was with one, so y is it so surprising that Sesshomaru softened up with humans a little, after all he never really killed any humans for no reason anyway, he just see's them as weak . If u ask me he's still the toughest demon out there, he just has a little compasion now. Remember in that movie him and his dad talked and u got the picture of what his dad wanted out of him. U know something else , i wouldn't be surprised if another few chapters came out or even if Sesshomaru got his own show. I would watch both, much like i wish Naruto and Kakashi had their own show. By the way u can email me comments at kendogg48@yahoo.com or on myspace, same email.
(Anonymous) wrote:
May. 26th, 2010 02:09 am (UTC)
Sess and Rin
You have an interesting opinion about this matter..Well there was another factor what Inuyasha said (from Keade)to Kagome in the last episode..."When the time come, she can choose". Rin is still too young, and when she is old enough, she will decide which path she will take. At least she is around people she knows and can trust. Rin is very lucky and went through alot for the tender age. Only Rumiko can know what becomes of Rin and Sesshomaru, but she already give hints about them if you can read everything carefully and clearly. Hopefully she may do a spin off with both of them, since they are so popular. I hope she writes a short novel about them at least. But I do believe that they are soul mates, and they would end up together forever. I can relate to Rin personally. My romantic life hits home with Rin and Sesshomaru, belive it or not. If feels so familar to me even though they are fiction. That's why I was so drawn to them physically and emotionally....It's weird.
[info]ljgoodlife wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2010 03:20 am (UTC)
sport
Right your opinions you provide to me , thanks for sharing.
(Anonymous) wrote:
Jul. 13th, 2010 05:46 pm (UTC)
a full 360 turn
wouldn't turning 360 degrees result with not one single degree of change? ;p
(Anonymous) wrote:
Jul. 17th, 2010 10:58 pm (UTC)
Uhmm... no. Just no.
Sesshoumaru has clearly been preparing to leave her in a human village since he got her out of hell. There was a tiny little quote that you are forgetting completely in this journal, and that is in the Hell Arc, Volume 48, Chapter 469, Page 6: "I didn't have to bring her with me. When I called Rin back from the dead after she'd been mauled by wolves... At that time... If I'd just left her in a human village...."

Given this quote, all of your pointless speculation goes out the window. Nothing happened in those three years, Sesshoumaru was trying to keep her safe until she was old enough to decide if she wanted to risk her life to travel with him, and this has absolutely NOTHING to do with Kagura, despite Rin's kimono's RESEMBLANCE to Kagura's (that's right, resemblance. If you look carefully, it's not the same). Sorry.

Also, bringing Rin gifts does NOT throw the father/daughter relationship out the window. Just because YOUR dad doesn't remember to give you gifts doesn't mean everyone's dad is like that. Stereotype much? There is nothing to suggest any of the other options either. Lolicon is hardly supported by anything other than fan speculation about why a grown man like Sesshoumaru would keep a little girl in tow with him for nearly a year, which is not evidence at all, by the way. Master/Servant or Pet is probably just as likely as father/daughter, or a little less so, because how many people gave their pets that kind of license back then, let alone gave them gifts? It doesn't seem to me like any of the options were given evidence over the others in the series, though, so I can only assume that Takahashi wanted to keep it open in regards to Sesshoumaru and Rin. The fact that she wanted to keep it open suggests to me in turn that she wanted one ending for those two, while the fanbase wanted something else, and she didn't want to piss anyone off. In turn, my conclusion is the possibility that Takahashi actually thought of them as father/daughter, because the more popular option in Japan is their hook-up in the future. Besides, Takahashi made it very clear early in the manga, Volume 15, Chapter 147, Page 7, that she does not approve of the idea of a man proposing anything of a romantic sort to a child. Seems to me that Takahashi is in disagreement with you every step of the way.

Needless to say, if Rin were a boy, we would be having this argument a LOT less than we do now.

By the way, where in the hell do you get the idea that Sesshoumaru hates priestesses so much? That's ridiculous. I don't recall Sesshoumaru referring to Kaede, Kikyou, OR Kagome as "That woman" in the series, and even if he did, he was probably referring to his disapproval of Inuyasha's taste in company, simply because they were human. In fact, I don't recall him having an objection to Kaede AT ALL. If your claim of him referring to Kikyou or any other priestess as "that woman" actually happened, which I assure you, it didn't, Sesshoumaru's dislike for any of those women would have NOTHING to do with them being priestesses. I don't know where you got that, but it's in your head, dude.

If you want to convince anyone who DOESN'T take everything they read on the internet as gospel (i.e. ME, considering nearly everyone else on here is willing to let you get away with all of the inaccuracies you're spouting), start citing where you have gotten certain ideas. Because you say that Sesshoumaru hates all priestesses or has never shown emotion prior to the final chapter (instances in which he has shown emotion in the series: Volume 14, Chapter 131, Page 5; Volume 41, Chapter 406, Page 17; Volume 48, Chapter 470, Page 11; Volume 50, pretty much every page between chapters 489 and 493) means that you need EVIDENCE for this. QUOTATIONS, PLEASE.

One more thing: the reason you care about it so much is because Takahashi writes good characters that one SHOULD care about. It's part of being a fan, whether what you're a fan of really exists or not.
[info]ravyn_skye wrote:
Feb. 4th, 2012 11:06 am (UTC)
WOW
You're far too upset and judgmental about this.

ETA: Wrong copy paste... I was posting something in my friend's new comm [info]lwdsr.

We're kind of discussing this same sort of thing in there right now, how to respond to Sess/Rin haters, but I'm not going to start that in someone else's journal.

I'll keep it to the comm for Sess and Rin as a pairing.




Edited at 2012-02-04 11:09 am (UTC)
(Anonymous) wrote:
Jan. 31st, 2011 11:24 pm (UTC)
The left behind Rin
I think It honestly obvious what's going on. Sesshomaru is betrothed to Rin. All the gifts he has given are What a lady of the court would need. It was also common back then to be engaged until the female was physically capable of the wifely duties, Rin being 11 is still a bit young to be married but most likely old enough to court. He's merely being Sesshoumaru, being proper while simultaneously announcing his superiority. Also since she is also his ward it officially makes his a Hime (princess), and it was not unusual for orphaned princesses to be cared for by nuns or priestesses. In this way everything is worked out in Keade's mind rin still has a choice in the matter, Rin gets a "proper education", and seshoumaru gets the girl when she is old enough.
As for Kagura's Kimono I think this is the biggest hint of all. Did anyone besides me notice that she changed from the blue/ green/ purple scheme of lord hitomi (naraku) to the Inutashio red and white? She was announcing not only her rebellion to naraku but her intention to pursue sesshoumaru. Rin wearing a similar kimono tells me she is truly one of sesshoumaru's biggest supporters and possibly his beloved. After all if is mother didnt approve of rin, she would have left her dead. Sorry I rambled but i hope it helps
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